[Reverbia Camp Organizers] Layout Final

[Mr. Clif]

Hey Doug, thanks for your detailed reply.

On 8/17/19 8:21 AM, Doug Abrahams wrote:
>  Clif,
>
> First of all, you are the only person on our Leadership team who is 
> not on Slack.  Why are you not on Slack?  You are starting a comment 
> thread via email...which fills up all of our inbox with a conversation 
> which can be recorded and organized on Slack.

Sorry I'm not on slack, one size does not fit all. Email is still one of 
the most useful ways to communicate. Lastly it's a personal choice.

>  On Slack, we can dialog this argument that you want to extend 3 guy 
> wires. 900 square feet for internet service to our camp.  The stage 
> towers are the perfect brace for your wifi tower and this location 
> does not create any extra guy wire square footage that your wifi tower 
> needs for free standing.

Doug, just saying that the stage towers are perfect does not make it so. 
I used the stage tower for a couple of years and got tired of the down 
sides which I've mentioned to you many times, though you choose not to 
hear me. Now I have moved on from the stage towers by providing my own 
tower This works sooooo much better for me. I have explained this to 
others like Brandon and they get it. I know that finding a place to put 
it is hard for you Doug but that does not mean that I don't have good 
reasons for using my own tower, to phrase your argument like that is not 
respectful of my time and energy.

> Wifi Tower
>
> What I am hearing from you is that you do not want to put your wifi 
> tower on the stage towers this year (you have had it in that location 
> last Burn) because you feel that the tower erection timeline (one day 
> later??) holds back the progress of your work and that if we want 
> internet right away...you need an alternate location. *Note: Last 
> year, we did not have internet until mid Burn week ..so expediting 
> your internet tower one day during Build Week, ahead of the stage 
> tower erection...does not mean internet service will even be available 
> for up to another week.

Last year was unusual in that I arrived mid week. I now have two days to 
pack, Today and tomorrow. If you tie me up in a long conversation about 
this now, then yes I will have to come to late this burn too.

> How many days does it actually vary from having the internet set 
> up...tower vs free standing elsewhere in camp?
> After you set up your towers, will the internet get turned on by 
> Burning Man in that moment or will we still have to wait additional 
> days or a week? Basically, does the free standing tower expedite the 
> fact that we will get internet any sooner.

It's also true that we often can't get internet until later in the week 
because BM IT is still getting set up. I can only hope that I'm ready by 
the time they are. Last year we had burning Fi which did work fine as 
soon as I was able to pick it up in Fallon NV. So if we can arrange an 
alternate provider, then we can probably get the internet set up earlier.

> Could you work on another project until the towers are erected a day 
> later?  Embassy assistance??

I'm happy to answer questions, but everyone is responsible for just 
their area, and if you try to overload folks with a bunch of other 
responsibilities then they will get burned out and leave. Like most 
leads I am happy working on my area and getting it done as soon as I 
can. I would think this is what you want since you say that internet 
early in the build week is very important.

> Alternate wifi locations, if stage towers are not used.
>
> This year, you would like to have your wifi and office set up in and 
> next to our new container location, extending 3 guy wires in a 
> circumference of 900 square feet.  This location would enable your guy 
> wires to be less in any foot traffic, but they still would take up the 
> extensive square footage and additionally, the new container would 
> need to be the wifi office.  The Old Container office was used for the 
> wifi set up on the stage towers and did require trenching of the wifi 
> cables.  As a secondary location, the benefits of this new container 
> site for your wifi towers would be that no wires would need to be 
> trenched.   The only down side is that...This new container was to be 
> available for shelve building so that we could begin packing our 
> "boneyard of storage supplies, prior to Sunday Tear down and Exit Team.

Yep so maybe the new container is not the best place. I do like the 
location because it's on the edge of the camp. I have one wifi radio 
that radiates sideways so putting it on the edge of the camp works well. 
However, I would be ok with putting the tower next to the first 
container. The bottom line is I need an "office" for all the gear.

> The other potential wifi location where we do not use the stage 
> towers, would be to set up your wifi tower at the other old container 
> location, which would require 3 guy wires extending 900 square feet in 
> circumference around the water systems, shower, and over the 
> evaporation ponds.  The benefits are again no trenching.  The 
> inconvenience would be that guy wires would be extended across our 
> water systems and evaporation ponds.

Yep. I wold consider adding a forth set of guy wires so that the guys 
could be at 90 degrees instead of 120. This should make it easy to put 
the tower in between four rectangular objects like RVs or a container.
>
> The 3rd alternate location would be back on our frontage next to the 
> 9th Node, where the wifi tower was placed 3 years ago and decorated 
> with lights.  This location spread guy wires across 900 square feet of 
> our frontage and bikes could not pass easily under the guy wires, 
> presenting a potential safety hazard at night...even with lights on 
> the guy wires.  This site also required trenching, just like the stage 
> towers.

Yep there is a ton of space out there. I would also like to find a way 
around the trenching. Though at least we would need a power cord out 
there. Not sure if I could swing that this year.

> In my opinion, the stage towers are the most unobtrusive location...as 
> no guy wires are needed to install the wifi towers.  The issue is that 
> you do not want to delay any set up for wifi, waiting for the stage 
> tower erection a day later than your project begins.


Doug, don't twist the argument by saying incorrectly that my project 
starts on Wednesday when it starts on Monday.


>  Since wifi does not get turned on in BRC until several days later 
> (last year wifi did not work until Thursday of the Burn)...it would 
> seem that the argument of expediting your set up time for wifi by not 
> being delayed a day by the stage tower erection, is a non factor demand.

Sorry Doug please don't use specific failures of BM IT as arguments as 
to why we should not be trying to do this right. BM IT is fully 
committed to and tries as best they can to get wifi turned on *Before* 
we even get to the playa. Next year when we once again have an alternate 
internet provider, they will definitely be set up a month or more before 
we get there.

So Doug, please don't plan for other groups failures, it's not a good 
look. :-)

> I would ask that for the greater good of our entire community and camp 
> visual...that you would put the wifi tower on the stage towers one day 
> later than your schedule.  We could use your services to teach Cole 
> how to get the Embassy up early, which we will be using for a meeting 
> space and our Build Week workshops.  This is of much more importance 
> to our Build Week than a wifi tower, which will not be useable until 
> BRC turns on their wifi...which by track record, will be later in the 
> week...if successful at all.

Like I said, I'm happy to answer questions, but mostly I want get my 
work done.

> The next wifi tower location would need to be by the 2nd container, 
> but I really feel we should be using the container to build shelving 
> for the week and then we can load the container from the Boneyard.  We 
> could build shelving for the first container...but the heavy storage 
> box will be in that container and moving it seems to be an unnecessary 
> task.

I'm happy with whichever container works best for the camp or it could 
be an easy up, anything that makes a good office with power.
>
> I have no more time to commit to this on email Clif, you can go to 
> Slack and offer our Leadership Team the 3 locations and see what 
> people think.  But do this on Slack...where instant conversation and 
> the history of the conversation can occur.
>
> thanks
>
> Doug

Yep well I don't have time for slack or email if you want me there by 
Monday. You can work it out with the other build leads, Brandon for 
example. Or, perhaps I could retire as communications lead and let 
someone else put it all together. Maybe I could just answer questions 
and not be responsible for anything. Or I could take a break from 
burning man, that might be nice too. :-)

     Best,
     Clif


> On Saturday, August 17, 2019, 6:52:35 AM PDT, Mr. Clif 
> <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>
>
> Nice,
>
> but that tower is part of my infrastructure, it saves me time and 
> energy. If there is no place to put it or Doug makes me take it down 
> like last year, then we won't have internet. I adopted that tower to 
> make my live easier and get the internet set up as early as possible. 
> If you all don't want that then I'm happy to give the internet job to 
> someone else. :-)
>
>     Clif
>
> On 8/16/19 11:34 PM, Henni Terness wrote:
>> This made me laugh :)
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing you in the dust soon!
>> Henni
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>> (001)647 271 4126
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>>
>>
>> Am Samstag, 17. August 2019, 00:11:41 GMT-4 hat Mr. Clif 
>> <clif at eugeneweb.com> <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com> Folgendes geschrieben:
>>
>>
>> I don't see the wifi tower in there. Do you want to have internet?
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>> On 8/16/19 7:47 PM, Reverbia Camp wrote:
>> Ugh of course I /just/ now got somebody upgrading their RV to a 
>> bigger size...so we will have to tweak and send another Final Draft - 
>> please stand by 🙃
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:33 PM Brandon Behr <brandonbehr at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:brandonbehr at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Rock and roll
>>
>>     Brandon Behr
>>
>>
>>     On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:22 PM Camp Reverbia
>>     <reverbia.bman at gmail.com <mailto:reverbia.bman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hey all,
>>
>>         this is the final layout. If you want to make your own copy,
>>         make it off of this one. Someone on the build team needs to
>>         make a laminated copy. Athena, you will probably want to make
>>         your own copies for your team. Colin, can you CAD this as
>>         much as possible? RVs are set...but the tents, yurts, and
>>         cars/truck can be subject to change on site if need be. Tents
>>         and yurts might not be to scale exactly. But we tried to make
>>         the RVs as accurate as possible.
>>
>>         thanks,
>>         Doug
>>
>>
>
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